Understanding The Islam, Christianity
Morality Debate
The purpose of this article to provide a
"bird’s eye view" of the Morality debate (which you can download from
my website), and to make people understand the points which went
unrefuted and *proven* to be true. In order to really understand this debate,
and where the clear evidence resides, a person would have to carefully make a
study of the debate, and perhaps hear it more than once. Actually, all the
debates on www.ExamineTheTruth.com should be heard several times in order to get the full
picture. Although, based on my personal experience, I would guess that 80% of
the visitors to my site are not going to invest that much effort.
Therefore, I decided to write this article to
give the main points that were discussed, and the arguments, which were clearly
proven, but may be easily overlooked by a non-observant viewer. You can easily
verify what ever I have mentioned in this article, by simply downloading the
debate and listen to it yourself.
‘The problem with Biblical
Christianity’
The following question was posed to both Islam
and Biblical Christianity:
Sin is very tempting. It is a constant
allurement, and has a captivating effect on our soul. Therefore, it is only
natural for man to ask, "how many sins can a believer get away with, and
still go to heaven?" After all, who wants to work harder than they have
to, why not have a "good time" in this life as well as the next?
In this debate, it was *proven* that according
to Biblical Christianity,
all you have to do are the following:
1. Believe in Jesus.
2. Repent (acceptance of error, and remorse)
every once in a while, visiting church a couple of times a year to repent,
perhaps on Christmas and Easter is more than sufficient.
Therefore, if a Bible following Christian full
fills those 2 requirement listed above, he is able to continue to live a
morally decadent life, filled with lying, cheating, stealing, raping, binge
drinking, murdering, fornicating, and every other kind of evil, and still be
guaranteed heaven. Not only does Biblical Christianity guarantees heaven for
the repentful sinner who does not turn away from his sin, but Christianity
promises the following:
So long as you believe, and repent, that is all
that it takes to go to heaven. This repentance can be done once or twice a
year. Although, it is also important to point out that the Bible does scorn a
sinful lifestyle, and definitely encourages people to be "good", but,
the Bible makes it clear that it does not matter if a believer is
"good" or "bad", so long as they believe and repent, they
will be guaranteed salvation. A good rule of thumb to remember is the
following, "if good deeds do not save you, bad deeds do not condemn
you".
‘The Christian defense: If
you can not win them, confuse them’
Rev. Matt Slick, from the Christian Apologetic
Research Ministry, represented the Christian view point. In his 25 minute
presentation, he attempted to make a distinction between Christians who murder,
drink, lie, cheat..etc. and Christians who don’t. And he concluded based on
this distinction, one is going to heaven and one is not. Unfortunately, his
evidence consisted of nothing but personal interpretations, baseless
assumptions, and he relied heavily on his own personal religious experience as
a being "real". In the period which followed after that, he knew very
well that his arguments were indefensible, and then attempted to drag the
debate into a quagmire by confusing the matters with his person subjective
opinions and religious experiences, mingled with Bible verses taken out of
context. In addition to that, he began to quibble and senselessly bicker with
me for 40 long minutes, hoping that he can confuse the audience, as we shall
soon see.
‘Matt Slick’s sends himself
to hell’
In the part 3 of the debate, I quickly pointed
out that, there is no difference according to the Bible between the Christian
on the Las Vegas strip who is drinking, fornicating, cheating..etc and the
Christian in the Church every Sunday, because, the Bible teaches that everyone
is a sinner, and everyone including himself is covetous.
Matt Slick’s respond, that the Christians on
the
"
Nor thieves, nor covetous , nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners,
shall inherit the
I quickly pointed out,
that Matt Slick is also condemned by the very same verse because it also says
that the "covetous", which are people who would like to have more in
life, will not go to heaven, and he as well as all Christians are
"covetous"! Thus my statement about the Bible went unrefuted.
After seeing that his argument flopped badly,
he then made a second attempt to try to show that the Christians on the Las
Vegas Strip are going to hell, but his brand of Christians are going to heaven,
and came up with a subjective theory, which goes something like this:
A real Christian
is changed in side, the sinner asks for forgiveness, God does so, and he
becomes a new creature, because of this, now we see his war against sin, so he
wont dare to go to the Las Vegas strip and seeking out those prostitutes,
drinking, gambling. He won’t SEEK it. The visible church are the ones that say,
yea I’m a Christian, lets drink, party and screw around... the invisible
church, are the ones who are TRULY SAVED, TRULY REGENERATE, they say, I can not
do that. That’s the difference between the regenerate and the unregenerate.
Here is my point by point refutation of Slick’s
theory most of which I refuted him in the debate:
A real Christian
is changed in side, the sinner asks for forgiveness, God does so, and he
becomes a new creature
The sinner on the
because of this,
now we see his war against sin
Almost every human being wages war against sin.
But this "war", ranges from high to low, for example, some people may
put forth a great amount of effort, some very little. But the issue here is
that they do not have to change the evil behavior, simply put forth some effort
to become better. Feeling sorry is a good enough effort. But it is also
important to point out, that warring against sin is not a requirement to be
saved, as Matt Slick also admitted in the debate.
because of this,
now we see his war against sin, so he won’t dare to go to the
Once again, Matt Slick condemns himself to hell
for a second time! Within the same verse it also talks about being
"covetous", and almost all human beings are "covetous",
including Matt Slick and we openly SEEK it and do it every day. Therefore, that
means that Matt Slick is not regenerated and is not "warring against sin!"
The visible church
are the ones that say, yea I’m a Christian, lets drink, party and screw
around... the invisible church, are the ones who are TRULY SAVED, TRULY
REGENERATE, they say, I can not do that. That’s the difference between the
regenerate and the unregenerate.
There is no such teaching like this in the
Bible. This is all Matt Slick’s corny interpretation. But, because Matt Slick
is "covetous", and he SEEKS it, he is part of the visible Church, and
he not TRULY saved, nor "regenerated".
Thus, Matt Slick’s canard was to no avail. He
was refuted point by point, and after 40 minutes, he was completely shut down….
and was reduced to chanting the same mantra over and over again: .. I’m
regenerated they are not…… I’m regenerated they are not…… I’m regenerated they
are not……
And finally, it was also proven that the Bible
does not condemn drugs, gambling, different types of sexual contact,
promiscuous behavior and dressing. For more on this, please read the following
article:
"Britney Spears vs. Rebecca St. James debate Morality"
‘My personal experience with
Christians in
This topic on Morality in Christianity and
Islam is a personal topic, which hits home with me. The reason is because, I
lived in the United States all my life, went to high school here, and I vividly
remember myself, as well as my Christian peers make these same type of moral
decisions. In high school and college, no one wants to be "uncool",
or some type of ‘wierdo’, rather, we (Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Jews, and
the rest of humanity) all had an intense desire to "fit in", be
accepted, be popular, partying and indulge ourselves in fun and extreme no
holds barred hedonism, which would include a lifestyle of drugs, drinking,
experimenting with different types of sexual contact, lude behavior, bar
hopping, and many times, bar fighting. But, there was just one problem ….. and
that was God. As a Muslim, I was forced at a young age to go and look up what
my religion said about this type of life style, the reason is because, I wanted
to find out what was the confines, or boundaries of my religion. One thing for
certain, I did not want to exert more effort in abstaining from these worldly
pleasures and fighting the temptation of sin, than what is needed to go to
heaven.
What I discovered shocked me. Islam, completely
forbade this life style, and told me of the consequences of living this type of
living, in this life, as well as the consequences in the hear after. Islam,
also provided graphic punishment, which served as a effective deterrent from
indulging in this way of life, but it also provided an alternative way of life.
This was bad news for me, because it put a major dent in my social life.
But, I was not the only one who was doing the
contemplating. I witnessed hundreds of my Christian peers, grappling with the
same dilemma, and just like me, they did not want to exert more effort in
abstaining from these worldly pleasures and fighting the temptation of sin,
than what is needed to go to heaven. But, they got a very different answer than
what I received. They slowly, began to realize, the very same conclusions which
were proven in the Ahmed-Slick debate on Morality. All they had to do to be
right with God, and go to heaven, was:
And they can indulge themselves in a completely
decadent life filled with all types of sex, drugs, alcohol and you know the
rest. These kids were smart. They did the "math" of the Bible, and
quickly realized the clear, and unclear boundaries of the religion of
Christianity, and they took full advantage of it. I think it is also important
to point out, that these examples provided are not isolated cases, but they
actually take place every day all across high schools and campuses around the
Nevertheless, there was also a marginal group
of Christians, who refused to see what actually Biblical Christianity really
is. They decided to counter their fellow Christians who took advantage of the
"freedom" that Biblical Christianity had to offer, and quickly formed
a "Born Again Club". This club, then artificially produced their own
moral values, and standards of right and wrong. Furthermore, anyone who did not
conform to this standard, were punished by the pronouncement "they’re not
real Christians!" One of the most prominent "Born Again Clubs"
is Campus Crusade for Christ. The Goth crowd were one of the first to stand in
opposition of this baseless concocted standard of morality, and created their
own way of life.
‘The lifestyle which the
Bible promotes’
If we were to live within the guidelines of
Biblical Christianity, here is what we would find: Men and woman walking around
in tight fitted, skimpy outfits exposing much of their parts like that of
Britney Spears, her style of dancing is also completely allowed, each one
engaged in flirting and indiscreetly seducing each other (there is no condemnation
in the Bible for any of this), and not only that, but engaging in several if
not all sexual acts except for sexual intercourse, engaging in
"mashing", and all the free cocaine, heroin and marijuana that they
desire. A good example of living within the confines of Biblical morality would
be the "GIRLS GONE WILD" commercials on TV, or MTV's spring break
parties. Please keep in mind, all of this behavior as mentioned above,
completely falls within the guidelines of Biblical moral conduct. No wonder we
have a screwed up society.
Islam clearly forbids this destructive
lifestyle. Please see my references. The reason why I used the word promotes instead of
allows, is because, it is the nature for the average human being seeks the path
of least resistance, although not all. If 2 ways are presented before the
average human, he is going to pick the apparent easier path. Therefore, the
average Christian would like to live within the guidelines of Biblical
morality, and not create "extra work" for themselves.
‘The Bible’s free cheese’
Therefore, Christianity as compared to Islam
appears much more attractive, due to its "freedom" which is offers.
In many Muslim Christian marriages, often times the children chose to become
part of Paul’s
Christianity because they desperately desire to
be on the cheerleading team at school, engage in dating, experiment with
different types of sexual contact, drinking, drugs, wearing "Britney
Spears" type of dressing, lude or erotic dancing... all which is well within the guidelines of Paul’s Christianity. Prophet Muhammed’s Islam, on the other hand crashes the
party.. and sends everyone home.
It is sad, that many of these kids at that age
are not mature enough to see that they are being lured by a false prophet,
Paul. May Allah save us from this wickedness. Therefore, the
"freedom" which Paul’s Christianity offers, is a major marketing
tool for his religion. You know the saying, "there is always free
cheese in the mouse trap."
In conclusion, it was this deception which
these "born again clubs" are engaged in, which inspired me to bring
this matter of Islam, Christianity, and Morality to be unveiled for the world
to see. After examining the evidences, there can be no doubt, that Biblical
Christianity, is a huge contributing factor to the moral decay of America, and
that Islam is the only religion, ideology in the world which can help America
as well as the rest of the world out of its moral dilemma. I will challenge
anyone to deny this.
Go back to the
Morality Debate