Dumb and Dumber:
Refuting
Jochen "The Joker" Katz
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Jochen "The
Joker" Katz is another Answering Islam coward on the run, who refuses to
debate me. Even inspite of our flexible debate policy, he refuses to face me one on one. I think both
Muslims and Christians agree that now, there is no excuse for this type of
cowardice, other than, Jochen Katz does not have solid arguments and is scared
that he will be humiliated in any public exchange of views.
Rather than coming
forward and debating Islam, The Joker hides behind his computer screen, just
like Saddam Hussein in his rat hole, and spams his anti Islamic riddles all
over the internet, hoping some unwary Muslim may fall into his trap.
Jochen Katz, has
written a response to our
debate review… and this is really funny.
Jochen "The
Joker" Katz stated:
NA made a big fuss about the issue of the question, "Is Muhammad a true Prophet of God?", supposedly being much too broad of a topic to debate. NA accused Sam Shamoun of not being willing "to debate narrow, well defined topics", and he pleaded, "lets narrow the topic down a bit, right now the topic is too broad".
Point to be noted:
Answering Islam does not deny the fact (because it is obvious) that the topic
is enormously broad and it simply is ridiculous not to commit to specific
issues pertaining to Islam! On this point, not even his Evangelical Christian
friends are amused. It is clear, that Answering Islam is SCARED to debate
specific issues and want to stick to broad generalities ! What more evidence do you need to prove that Answering Islam
is bankrupt! After suffering 2 humiliating losses in debates, they now see
their only way to "break even" in a debate is by hurling hundreds of
different objections all related to different issues at the Muslim speaker, and
hope, that he can only properly address 7 of them. Thus, the whole purpose of
Answering Islam has back fired, as they wind up proving, that Islam can not be
challenged!
Therefore, Answering
Islam has proven, that there is no rational argument which can be leveled
against Islam, at least by them. Islam, has a solid foundation, backed with
clear evidences. The foundation for Islam, is simply unchallengeable, and
Jochen Katz and Shameless Shamoun have confirmed this. The sad thing, is that
they are not fooling anyone by their deception, because, Christians themselves
will demand that specific issues be debated rather than vague topics like
"Islam" or "Is is Islam true?" or "Is Muhammed a
Prophet?". On this point, I believe both Muslims and even the most hostile
Christians agree with me, in that Answering Islam’s failure to commit to
specifics was a major blow to their own credibility… not mine!
Therefore, I am in awesome field position and do not need to do the explaining…
but they do.
Jochen "The
Joker" Katz stated:
All of this verbiage was merely a cover-up for NA's running away from the issue, as has been exposed in the above-mentioned article.
What is this? So you
are just as big of a liar as Shameless Shamoun? The truth is, it is both of you
clowns who refuse to debate me:
http://www.examinethetruth.com/RefutingAI/Shameless_LIES.htm
We are all still
waiting for the date, time and place for that debate to take place. Again, no
one believes Jochen Katz. It is clear, that if they were to debate me on any
specific issue, they would be humiliated just as they have been in the past
(please download the debates from my website and see for yourself).
But the
"kicker" is, when it comes to the Bible, Muslims do not play these
types of foolish games, we can debate any specific issue of contention, and
clearly prove that the Bible is corrupt and unreliable. Do you see the
difference?
Jochen "The
Joker" Katz stated:
To put it plainly and simply, Osama Abdallah's attacks on the Bible were completely off topic.
Response:
This foolish argument
actually shows that it is The Joker who can’t analyze debates as well as read
an article. I clearly stated in my article how this was well within the topic.
The Joker could not refute my points, so what did he do? He ignores them!
Therefore, all I have to do is cut and paste my original arguments from my
review, which The Joker pretended didn’t exist, so here they are again!:
Was this issue related to the topic? The answer
is, YES. Whether if the Bible is corrupt or uncorrupt is very much related to
if the Prophet Muhammed(P) is a true prophet. Virtually, the entire
presentation of Shamoun’s dealt with this fact. I have also identified this
topic as a related topic in my challenge:
Fourth night: "Is the Bible reliable?"
Therefore the Bible is very relevant!!! That is
how Ahmed Deedat won so many converts: Deedat smashed the Bible, which made
Christians THINK, if this the Holy Bible is not true, then which is the true
religion of Christ? Proving the Bible to be corrupt proves a very central
doctrine of Islam.
I also stated,
Shameless Shamoun’s scheme has backfired on him badly. Because of the fact that
he does not possess a single valid argument against Islam, he tried to keep the
topic very broad so he can keep bringing up millions of topics, and hope, that
Osama Abdullah is not familiar with the issue, or that he has not properly
prepared to speak on it. That was his only hope to win the debate! But to
Shameless Shamoun's surprise, the topic was also broad enough to encompass the
credibility of the Bible! Therefore, I have to pat Osama Abdullah on the back
for appropriately bringing up the Bible.
Jochen "The
Joker" Katz stated:
The following parody is not my genuine opinion regarding Muhammad, nor do I believe that it is worthy of being called a serious argument against his prophethood. However, some Muslims of utterly depraved mind and foul language (like the above quoted) can apparently not otherwise be convinced about the absurdity of their arguments. With that said, let me now return the favor and mimic this utterly silly Muslim argument: "Muhammad ran like a rat from a few people in Mecca since they may have wanted to kill him. He fled from Mecca to Medina because he feared for his life. Who can believe that this is a true prophet? If Muhammad had truly been the most important prophet of God, then God would have given him power to face his opponents, and would not have allowed his prophet to have to run away like a rat. Muhammad even asked Ali to sleep in his bed, so that potential assassins may kill Ali instead, if they should try to kill him at night. Does anyone really want to believe that this Arabian coward was a prophet of Almighty God?" ]
Response:
"Do we even need
to spell this out"? The Joker has committed the logical fallacy of False
Analogy. A human being, running from persecution, is not something ridiculous!
That is because a man will NOT be able to overpower a group of human beings,
and that man should fear that they will do him harm. But, an All Mightly, All
Powerful God, can not be harmed by a bunch of Roman thugs, and has nothing to
fear. Therefore, such a God running from King Herod is something foolish and
ridiculous! Thus, Osama Abdullah made a really good point, something I never
really thought of.
Jochen "The
Joker" Katz stated:
Does the corruption of the Bible imply that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (founder of the Ahmadiyya sect), and Baha'ullah (founder of the Baha'is), and Joseph Smith (founder of the Mormons) are true prophets?
Every Muslim would immediately reject this, and see clearly how silly such a conclusion would be. Thus, we ask: If establishing the corruption of the Bible does not make these people prophets, why would Nadir Ahmed think that it would be proof positive for Muhammad to be a prophet?
Response:
Here, The Joker
disqualifies himself as someone who is able to analyze debates. I made it very
clear in my review, that there were SEVERAL ARGUMENTS which made Osama Abdullah
win the debate, here are some of them:
"Answering Islam proved to be quite
ineffective as Shamoun failed to produce one single valid argument against
Islam"
"How can the book which contains
contradiction be from God, but the book with no errors is from Satan????"
Now, I don’t know
what you believe about false prophets, but I believe that God has left many
clear signs so people who are searching for truth can identify who is a false
prophet and beware of him. That is why there is such clear evidence, which
disproves all the religions in the world except for Islam. Therefore, since no
such evidence exists for Islam as Shameless Shamoun and The Joker have proved
for us, there is no question, that Islam is the true religion.
Jochen "The
Joker" Katz stated:
He only did what Muhammad said to do, namely test the message received by Muhammad in light of the Bible, see S. 10:94:
But if you are in doubt as to what We have revealed to you, ask those who read the Book before you; certainly the truth has come to you from your Lord, therefore you should not be of the disputers. (Shakir)
Response:
This is a false
interpretation, and is another example of how Answering Islam twists scripture
out of its context, for their own pleasure. The Quran is not asking its
followers to engage in some kind of "test" if the Quran is true using
the Bible, but rather, use the Bible to CONFIRM that this message is the truth!
This is because Allah clearly stated that the Prophet Muhammed(P) is mentioned
in the Bible (Surah 7:157) , but it also gives a clear warning, that the
Christians may try to hide it, and this Quran reveals what they are hiding
(Surah 5:15). Therefore, the Muslim may need to engage in debating with them
(Surah 29:46).
And finally, probably
the most disturbing aspect of Jochen "The Joker" Katz, was that he
selectively chose what he wanted to respond to in my debate review. But, In my
review I clearly pointed out many of Shameless Shamoun’s follys, which The
Joker was not able to respond and was dead silent on! But, it was these very
issues which made Osama Abdullah win the debate and exposed Shameless Shamoun
as nothing but a 2 bit con artist! The following are my points from my debate
review, which The Joker has ran away from:
- Spamming the entire
audience with websites where he(Shamoun) thought the answers to Osama’s
challenges may reside, rather than refuting the arguments.
- Shamoun volunteered
pathetic excuses of why he was not willing to refute the arguments, by
saying that this was not the time for it, rather it is only time to make
his opening presentation, and again, he said this is time for closing
statements!
- As he Shamoun failed to
produce one single valid argument against Islam.
- How can the book which
contains contradiction be from God, but the book with no errors is from
Satan????
- How can a true All
Mighty God run from King Herod?
- Shamoun was literally
crippled as he was not able to refute a single argument against the Bible.
Shamoun only responded, that there are some refutations on his website or
Osama’s attack
- But this is not the
first time Shamoun was humiliated, in a previous debate, Shabir Ally hit
Shamoun with a attack on the Bible, and Shamoun simply refused to respond,
and just started passing our articles. Shabir Ally specifically checked
Shamoun on this behavior, and reminded him that this was a public debate,
and he is to respond to his allegations… Shamoun still refused. Answering
Islam’s Dr. William Campbell also fell prey to Dr. Zakir Naik in their
"Great Debate", as Dr. Naik exposed the Bible’s grave defects,
as Dr. William Campbell just like Sam Shamoun, was totally crippled and
could not respond.
- Therefore, in 3
back-to-back debates Answering Islam was systematically destroyed as they
could not defend the Bible from the Muslim charge of corruption.
- Shamoun claimed that
there is a historical error in the Quran because the date of the Roman
victory over the Persians mentioned in the Quran contradicts what is
written in Encyclopedia Britannica. But common sense would dictate that if
can be very possible that Encyclopedia Britannica is wrong, and the Quran
is right.
- Then Shamoun accused the
Quran of error when the Quran talked about the night journey what is the
farthest mosque. Shamoun claimed that place is
- Shamoun also stated that
the Quran talked about number of Earths, and heavens being 7. Scientist
have not discovered this. But again, common sense can refute Shamoun’s
claim, as this is a argument from silence
- In a very rare moment of
the debate, Osama Abdullah actually made sense when talking about Islam.
For once, his thoughts were coherent and non-contradictory when explaining
the Islamic position of the Bible. So much so, that Shamoun could not
refute a single word of Osama. Osama stated very clearly for Sam Shamoun,
that there is some truth of Gods words in the Bible, but the Bible has
been clearly corrupted according to the Quran.
- Shamoun was unable to
refute the fact that the Quran viewed the Bible to be corrupt. He had
absolutely no response for S. 4:157 , S. 2:79, and 5:41. Rather then
admitting the obvious truth, out of shear arrogance Shamoun decided to
INGNORE THE EVIDENCE and declared the following:
- Shamoun claimed,
"No passage of the Quran says the text of scripture has been
corrupted" but Shamoun refused to acknowledge the evidence (S. 4:157,
S. 2:79) as if it did not even exist!!
I rest my case.
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